Comments on: I’ve Embraced Hybrid Layouts http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/ Website Design, Development, SEO and Marketing in the Allentown, Bethlehem and Easton areas Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:31:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kevin http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2275 Kevin Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:11:42 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2275 Thanks Yanick, A little late to the party :) In the year or so since I posted this, I can't say my mind has changed in the slightest. Thanks Yanick, A little late to the party :)

In the year or so since I posted this, I can’t say my mind has changed in the slightest.

]]> By: Yanick Girouard http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2274 Yanick Girouard Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:44:23 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2274 I fully agree with you Kevin. Sometimes I feel like designers are forced to use CSS layouts in order to look professional. That's completely and utterly silly in my opinion. As long as your XHTML (or HTML) is well formed, and that it doesn't generate parsing errors, and that you don't overuse tables (as in a table within a table within a table within a table...), I really don't see why you should force yourself into having a pure CSS layout just because someone else said it was supposedly the new standard. First of all, like someone else mentioned, try writing a form using only CSS. It's feasible, but you'll have to use some hacks here and there to make it work in all browsers. So why bother? What makes a site good and professional is not how flashy it is, or good it is following a standard. Truth is, as much as people want to say it's true, there are no real standards out there, only recommendations, and even there, there's debates about those recommendations most of the time. There are best practices for sure, and general rules (such as use of fonts, colors, negative space, images etc...), but not of these are absolute. So I say just use your logic and common sense. Be sensible. If you choose a specific DOCTYPE dtd, then stick to it and make sure your site is compliant. Make sure your site loads fast and keep it simple. Follow the basic rules of design, and your site will be great regardless if you used a CSS layout or hybrid layout. I fully agree with you Kevin. Sometimes I feel like designers are forced to use CSS layouts in order to look professional. That’s completely and utterly silly in my opinion. As long as your XHTML (or HTML) is well formed, and that it doesn’t generate parsing errors, and that you don’t overuse tables (as in a table within a table within a table within a table…), I really don’t see why you should force yourself into having a pure CSS layout just because someone else said it was supposedly the new standard.

First of all, like someone else mentioned, try writing a form using only CSS. It’s feasible, but you’ll have to use some hacks here and there to make it work in all browsers. So why bother?

What makes a site good and professional is not how flashy it is, or good it is following a standard. Truth is, as much as people want to say it’s true, there are no real standards out there, only recommendations, and even there, there’s debates about those recommendations most of the time.

There are best practices for sure, and general rules (such as use of fonts, colors, negative space, images etc…), but not of these are absolute. So I say just use your logic and common sense. Be sensible. If you choose a specific DOCTYPE dtd, then stick to it and make sure your site is compliant. Make sure your site loads fast and keep it simple. Follow the basic rules of design, and your site will be great regardless if you used a CSS layout or hybrid layout.

]]> By: Milwaukee Website Design http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2273 Milwaukee Website Design Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:21:18 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2273 @Melek and @Home and Garden Listings: There are way too many zealots out there who need to chill out over standards and using one method. It's important to remember that web design is just as much a creative process as it is a technical process. I have seen beautifully-designed sites that use 100% valid HTML and CSS layout that get practically NO TRAFFIC. What a waste. @Kevin: I agree with you 100%. There is no way to "know if all" about HTML. I have been creating Web sites for 12 years now and still feel like I can't wrap my head around all of it. @Melek and @Home and Garden Listings: There are way too many zealots out there who need to chill out over standards and using one method. It’s important to remember that web design is just as much a creative process as it is a technical process. I have seen beautifully-designed sites that use 100% valid HTML and CSS layout that get practically NO TRAFFIC. What a waste.

@Kevin: I agree with you 100%. There is no way to “know if all” about HTML. I have been creating Web sites for 12 years now and still feel like I can’t wrap my head around all of it.

]]> By: Home and Garden Listings http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2272 Home and Garden Listings Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:32:20 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2272 Web developers tend to be fundamentalists. THEIR server-side language is the best one to use, HTML tables are verobten becuase THEY only use CSS layouts. And so on. It's very confusing to the newbie learning HTML/web app coding. Web developers tend to be fundamentalists. THEIR server-side language is the best one to use, HTML tables are verobten becuase THEY only use CSS layouts. And so on. It’s very confusing to the newbie learning HTML/web app coding.

]]> By: Rahul http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2271 Rahul Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:10:46 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2271 I'd heard about bustaname. but i'm quite interest in this expired domains as well.... hope i hit a jackpot sometime... soon. ;) I’d heard about bustaname. but i’m quite interest in this expired domains as well…. hope i hit a jackpot sometime… soon. ;)

]]> By: Diamond Blade http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2270 Diamond Blade Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:54:36 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2270 Nothing wrong with hybrid layout. Try making a form using only CSS for example. People are WAY too fundamentalist about CSS sometimes in terms of layout. What's the point? Just be sensible. Use CSS for general layout, and if things get TOO intricate that you need to use hacks so it can be seen OK in various browsers, perhaps a small table for sir? Nothing wrong with hybrid layout. Try making a form using only CSS for example. People are WAY too fundamentalist about CSS sometimes in terms of layout. What’s the point? Just be sensible. Use CSS for general layout, and if things get TOO intricate that you need to use hacks so it can be seen OK in various browsers, perhaps a small table for sir?

]]> By: Affordable Custom Web Design http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2269 Affordable Custom Web Design Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:07:39 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2269 I remeber back when I was getting the hang of HTML. FLoating, liquid, statisd...all of them were mysterious to me. And then I went on to the table layout nightmare because I didn't undertsnad DIV tags and my AP DIVs looked terrible in different sized browser windows. *Sigh* Those were the days. I remeber back when I was getting the hang of HTML. FLoating, liquid, statisd…all of them were mysterious to me.
And then I went on to the table layout nightmare because I didn’t undertsnad DIV tags and my AP DIVs looked terrible in different sized browser windows.
*Sigh* Those were the days.

]]> By: Alessio http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2268 Alessio Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:35:31 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2268 Usually a standard should uniform all way to do in one. Why doesn't it happen with browsers??? Designers, costumers and visitators will be happy if they make a standard to follow for building a browser... Mah.......I don't understand... Usually a standard should uniform all way to do in one. Why doesn’t it happen with browsers???

Designers, costumers and visitators will be happy if they make a standard to follow for building a browser…

Mah…….I don’t understand…

]]> By: Tracey Grady http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2267 Tracey Grady Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:59:20 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2267 Like I always say, everything in moderation ;) Good to see you back blogging. Like I always say, everything in moderation ;)

Good to see you back blogging.

]]> By: Melek http://www.kevinboss.com/blog/hybrid-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-2266 Melek Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:43:54 +0000 http://kevinboss.net/?p=68#comment-2266 I'm so glad to see someone finally post about hybrid sites. I've felt like a loser for a long time bc I don't code full CSS sites. Now, I don't feel so horrible. :) I don't use nearly enough CSS for my to honestly call my sites Hybrid, but I use some and each time I try to incorporate more than the last time. And that's how you learn. I’m so glad to see someone finally post about hybrid sites. I’ve felt like a loser for a long time bc I don’t code full CSS sites. Now, I don’t feel so horrible. :)

I don’t use nearly enough CSS for my to honestly call my sites Hybrid, but I use some and each time I try to incorporate more than the last time. And that’s how you learn.

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